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Created man , and formed Adam .

  • Phil Mordecai
    1 posts

    Genesis chapter 1 verses 26 to 28 created man and woman.

    Genesis chapter 2 verses 7&8 formed man, Adam.

    Question , are they the same , or are they two complete different people ? 
    
    I believe the two are completely different people or persons !  Why ? 
    GOD'S true power to do what we do NOT understand ! 
    
  • CycloManiac
    35 posts

    Looking at these passages Phil, it is my understanding that they are the same event. Scripture tells us that A'dam was the first man formed out of the dust of the ground. Scripture also tells us that we are in A'dam and the second A'dam YAHUSHA HA'MASHIACH came to lift the curse off of us with his death, burial, and resurrection.

  • Rodonna
    1 posts

    They are the same event, but 2 tellings of the story. The first is from a Heavenly perspective, the second is for an Earthly perspective.
    Remember there are 2 witness that make testimony against the accounts of Mankind from the Creation onward.

    The book of Jasher is also the Earthly account (witness) to the 5 books of the Heavenly Torah, just as 1st & 2nd Kings is more clearly a comprehensive Heavenly accounted history of the two kingdoms, and 1st & 2nd Chronicles is more of a selective Earthly account of the history of Israel at one glance.
    The same pattern of 3 wittnesses are the 'retellings' in the parallel Gospel accounts.

    See Deu 4:26, Deu 30:19, Deu 31:28

  • TexasWoman
    4 posts

    I have always wondered about the "created in Our image" part ... any thoughts on that?
    I'm new here and a little hesitant to start a new topic. Just let me know if that is what I should do.

    So glad to see this forum. It has been hard for me to find fellowship in this walk, as a single middle-aged woman.

  • betchevy
    14 posts

    I apologize if I am talking out of turn as I do not yet have my eth Cepher, however, this is one of the reasons I am so looking forward to getting one. Doesn't one of these Adams have the eth or aleph tav and the other doesn't? This is one of the things I am so looking forward to seeing. Can one of u tell me about the Aleph Tav in the first sixth day Adam and if it as Phil describes, , the other eighth day Adam? This scripture, sorry but from the KJV for now also has a clue as to the timing of this chapter and the Adam of the Garden:Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. Can you guys tell me is there a difference in the eth Cepher from this verse? Another thing that makes me think this man was not the first man created was because of the rest of what happens, later with Cain in this section: Gen 4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
    Gen 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
    Gen 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

    So who else was Cain going to run into if his family he was leaving behind him were the only people on the face of the earth? Sorry again for using the KJV here guys.

    I have been studying the scriptures on my own for a while and in the past few years, the scriptures seem to be so different that what I was taught in the churches I left a long time ago now. Every day it seems like some new understanding comes out of my daily reading. Like Phil, I cannot see this being one man and one woman and I in fact see that this (Ch.2) could have been not a night and day later from Chapter 1 but a thousand years later and many many people populating the earth at this point. I am hoping that the eth Cepher adds ever more to my understanding and seeing the Aleph Tavs added back into it, I think is an important key to understanding even more. I am sorry to disagree with you CycloManiac on my first post in the forum, but Phil's understanding and mine are alike on this. Hopefully the eth Cepher and sharing can bring us all to greater understanding of the Word and all its truths.
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  • CycloManiac
    35 posts

    Betchevy, here are scripture quotes from the Eth CEPHER from above:

    Bere'shiyth (Genesis) 2:5
    And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for YAHUAH ELOHIYM had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till ?? eth-the ground.

    Bere'shiyth (Genesis) 4:15-16
    And YAHUAH said unto him, Therefore whosoever slays Qayin, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And YAHUAH set a mark upon Qayin, lest any finding him should kill him. 16 And Qayin went out from the presence of YAHUAH, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

    The below Scripture tells us that Adam begot many sons and daughters in addition to Qayin and H'avel (Cain and Abel). Scripture only tells us of these two because, in my opinion, this was the beginning of the "enmity" between the seed of the line of the Messiah and the seed of the wicked one, Satan.

    I will have to do more research on this. But for now, I can only go by what the Scripture says. The books of Jubilees and Jasher do not give any more information on the Scripture below.

    Bere'shiyth (Genesis) 5:4
    And the days of A’dam after he had begotten ?? eth-Sheth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

  • betchevy
    14 posts

    Thanks CycloManiac for those scriptures from the Cepher. what about the one from Chapter one creation of Adam? Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
    Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

    Could you please copy and paste that as well?Or tell me is the eth included CycloManiac?

    This is the same verse that TexasWoman is asking about here, and sorry, but I did not see your question earlier, strangely, TW. ( we have a lot in common, btw.) I too have pondered this, Some "scholars" teach that this Eloheem is not singular, and so this could be a lot of men created in the images of this "plural group" of entities. Is this where each race we know came into being? Were they formed according to members likenesses? Dr. Michael Heiser teaches this group as his understanding

    I too am so glad to find this place and know that next week I hope to have a Cepher so I can quit asking those kinds of questions. TW I am looking forward to all the discussions we are going to have here on everything Cepher, what fun!

    While posting and pondering CycloManiac, I thought of what you said about other children and looked again at what the Word says here in Genesis: Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
    Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Yahuah
    ( my fix)

    Doesn't this seem to be that the lineage of Messiah is continued after Cain is established elsewhere and his lineage or the seed of the serpent's lineage is given ? At the time that Cain has asked this question of the Elohym there wouldn't have been anyone to fear at all, so why would he have done so?

    If these thoughts and understanding processed from my mind are not what scripture teaches, then where do we get the races? Why do we have such diversity in hair, skin, eyes even form if we all came from the same DNA pools? ( that would be Messiah's ( Seth) and the serpents ( Cain) Can you help me understand this through the Word? I cannot wait to read the book of enoch from the Cepher to see if the insight comes from there.

  • betchevy
    14 posts

    Can anyone post the verses of Genesis 1:26-28 so I can see if the Aleph -Tav was used? Sorry Cybermaniac to continue to see this in a different possible way and to do so on your site. I just think that if the Aleph-Tav is not used in chapter one it is a reason to question whether the Adam in ch 2 and he are the same being.

  • betchevy
    14 posts

    and now the thought.... does every reference to Adam in the chapters of Genesis after 2 have the eth? that would be in ch.'s 3,4, and 5.

  • CycloManiac
    35 posts

    Bere'shiyth (Genesis) 1:26-28
    And ELOHIYM said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth. 27 So ELOHIYM created ?? eth-man in his own image, in the image of ELOHIYM created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And ELOHIYM blessed them, and ELOHIYM said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish ?? eth-the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.

    The Aleph-Tav points to the Messiah. The Aleph-Tav in these passages also speaks of us being created and having the characteristics and able to have an intimate relationship with our Creator and Father ELOHIYM.